Comments on: Art Azurdia III has made it to Monergism’s Hall of Contemporary Reformers http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/ ... gospel, culture, missions, internet, technology ... Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:50:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: patrick http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-63929 patrick Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:09:02 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-63929 Thanks Earl for the links! You're a widely read brother and I'm grateful for this discussion. I'll look into these links.. BTW: You should start blogging :) Thanks Earl for the links! You’re a widely read brother and I’m grateful for this discussion.

I’ll look into these links..

BTW: You should start blogging :)

]]> By: Earl http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-63875 Earl Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:12:30 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-63875 I do not know where John Armstrong stands on the NPP today since I haven't read anything that he has written on it. But the following is a quote that I came across today from John Armstrong relating to his view on justification: "I affirm justification by faith alone in the most traditional and historical way possible. I believe I am saved by "Christ, plus nothing". I feel no need to "update" my position, alter its vocabulary, or confuse those who are listening/reading. My position on justification is identical to that of the Protestant Reformers. More than being grateful for the historicity of my position, though, I am mostly grateful that my Lord loved me enough to call me to Himself, and sent His Son to die on the cross for the sins of a murderer and adulterer like me." You can read the rest of his explanation here. http://johnharmstrong.typepad.com/john_h_armstrong_/2005/07/david_bahnsen_o.html I think that his statement is a good indicator of his stance on this issue. Would I invite a speaker that doesn't hold to the historical view on justification? No, I would not. Marc Driscoll is known for having a sound theological base. His association with Armstrong through The Resurgence,I think, validates the latter's stance on the historical and biblical view of doctrinal issues like justification. Sinclair Ferguson gave a great lecture and brought out some excellent points on the NPP. You can listen to it here: http://theologica.blogspot.com/2005/09/sinclair-ferguson-on-new-perspective.html I do not know where John Armstrong stands on the NPP today since I haven’t read anything that he has written on it. But the following is a quote that I came across today from John Armstrong relating to his view on justification:
“I affirm justification by faith alone in the most traditional and historical way possible. I believe I am saved by “Christ, plus nothing”. I feel no need to “update” my position, alter its vocabulary, or confuse those who are listening/reading. My position on justification is identical to that of the Protestant Reformers. More than being grateful for the historicity of my position, though, I am mostly grateful that my Lord loved me enough to call me to Himself, and sent His Son to die on the cross for the sins of a murderer and adulterer like me.”
You can read the rest of his explanation here.
http://johnharmstrong.typepad.com/john_h_armstrong_/2005/07/david_bahnsen_o.html

I think that his statement is a good indicator of his stance on this issue.

Would I invite a speaker that doesn’t hold to the historical view on justification? No, I would not.

Marc Driscoll is known for having a sound theological base. His association with Armstrong through The Resurgence,I think, validates the latter’s stance on the historical and biblical view of doctrinal issues like justification.

Sinclair Ferguson gave a great lecture and brought out some excellent points on the NPP. You can listen to it here:
http://theologica.blogspot.com/2005/09/sinclair-ferguson-on-new-perspective.html

]]> By: Patrick http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-63828 Patrick Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:37:17 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-63828 hi Earl - Thanks for visiting again! Yes I'm familiar with Mark Driscoll. So do you believe that John Armstrong has abandoned the NPP camp completely? A more pointed question would be: would you invite a speaker who doesn't hold to the biblical and historical view of justification by faith alone as a completed singular work accomplished on the cross? I think if we all step back that's the practical question from this discussion. hi Earl -

Thanks for visiting again!

Yes I’m familiar with Mark Driscoll.

So do you believe that John Armstrong has abandoned the NPP camp completely?

A more pointed question would be: would you invite a speaker who doesn’t hold to the biblical and historical view of justification by faith alone as a completed singular work accomplished on the cross?

I think if we all step back that’s the practical question from this discussion.

]]> By: Earl http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-63826 Earl Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:01:29 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-63826 On the subject of John Armstrong: A few weeks back I was browsing Mark Driscoll's www.theresurgence.com/profile_mark_driscoll ministry sites and came across The Resurgence www.theresurgence.com/about I noticed John Armstrong has partnered with Marc Driscoll as a contributing writer and has contributed numerous articles to The Resurgence. www.theresurgence.com/profile_john_armstrong Here is what The Resurgence believes www.theresurgence.com/beliefs As you may or may not have known Mark Driscoll has been known as a controversial Pastor (association's with the Emergent Church movement, language...). But he is a pastor that God is using in profound ways relating to Missiology. You can read how God continues to work in Mark's life here: http://theologica.blogspot.com/2007/11/driscolls-confession-on-pride.html I have not heard or read anything about John Armstrong over the past few years, but it appears God is using him again to help educate and edify the body of Christ. On the subject of John Armstrong:

A few weeks back I was browsing Mark Driscoll’s
http://www.theresurgence.com/profile_mark_driscoll

ministry sites and came across The Resurgence
http://www.theresurgence.com/about

I noticed John Armstrong has partnered with Marc Driscoll as a contributing writer and has contributed numerous articles to The Resurgence.
http://www.theresurgence.com/profile_john_armstrong

Here is what The Resurgence believes
http://www.theresurgence.com/beliefs

As you may or may not have known Mark Driscoll has been known as a controversial Pastor (association’s with the Emergent Church movement, language…). But he is a pastor that God is using in profound ways relating to Missiology.
You can read how God continues to work in Mark’s life here:
http://theologica.blogspot.com/2007/11/driscolls-confession-on-pride.html

I have not heard or read anything about John Armstrong over the past few years, but it appears God is using him again to help educate and edify the body of Christ.

]]> By: Kaz http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-63362 Kaz Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:43:03 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-63362 I was have been asked a couple of times about these comments so I thought I'd clarify. I asked Patrick to remove it because it seemed like it was being taken as a negative comment regarding Art. I actually know Art from my college days and have been exposed to his preaching. I would agree he is a great preacher and expositor. I have been encouraged under his preaching ministry. I made a comment that he was controversial because several years ago when the discussion of the "new prospective" view on justification was being discussed, he was very much associated with men like John Armstrong who publicly defended the "new prospective" position. At that time Art was friends with John Armstrong. I have not seen or heard what John Armstrong's position on justification is now or what Art's current position is. If Art has preached or written on the specific topic of justification, please pass any information to me, I'd love to read it. If he or John Armstrong holds that the doctrine of justification is a complete work and act of God's grace without any form of works, praise God! I apologize for an misunderstanding that may have come from my previous comment. I was have been asked a couple of times about these comments so I thought I’d clarify. I asked Patrick to remove it because it seemed like it was being taken as a negative comment regarding Art.

I actually know Art from my college days and have been exposed to his preaching. I would agree he is a great preacher and expositor. I have been encouraged under his preaching ministry.

I made a comment that he was controversial because several years ago when the discussion of the “new prospective” view on justification was being discussed, he was very much associated with men like John Armstrong who publicly defended the “new prospective” position. At that time Art was friends with John Armstrong. I have not seen or heard what John Armstrong’s position on justification is now or what Art’s current position is. If Art has preached or written on the specific topic of justification, please pass any information to me, I’d love to read it.

If he or John Armstrong holds that the doctrine of justification is a complete work and act of God’s grace without any form of works, praise God!

I apologize for an misunderstanding that may have come from my previous comment.

]]> By: Desiree http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-59612 Desiree Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:42:39 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-59612 John Hendryx did his research well when he inducted Art in the Hall of Contemporary Reformers. I agree with him when he introduced Art as one of the best expositional preachers that he had the honor to hear and "one that the Holy Spirit makes good use of". For people who know Dr. Azurdia's passion for the faithful exposition of the Word, which is translated to his powerful sermons, this induction is of no surprise. Listen to his sermons at www.spiritempoweredpreaching.com and as Hendryx commented "be continually edified by his style and content" As fellow believers, our comments should always be based on facts, not presumptuous. We should be quick to encourage those who are laboring with us in the gospel, for the ultimate end of glorifying God. John Hendryx did his research well when he inducted Art in the Hall of Contemporary Reformers. I agree with him when he introduced Art as one of the best expositional preachers that he had the honor to hear and “one that the Holy Spirit makes good use of”. For people who know Dr. Azurdia’s passion for the faithful exposition of the Word, which is translated to his powerful sermons, this induction is of no surprise. Listen to his sermons at http://www.spiritempoweredpreaching.com and as Hendryx commented “be continually edified by his style and content”
As fellow believers, our comments should always be based on facts, not presumptuous. We should be quick to encourage those who are laboring with us in the gospel, for the ultimate end of glorifying God.

]]> By: patrick http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-59593 patrick Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:50:43 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-59593 Bob, Amen bro. I frequent Art's website and find nothing I can honestly disagree with but find his preaching very encouraging, insightful, and Christ-centered. I remember Art being a really passionate guy who loves truth and is unashamed in the proclamation of it. I still remember when he was a guest speaker at Gilead and spoke on the book of Hebrews. I never forgot walking away thinking how I wished I could grasp and love the truth like he does. As for Kaz's comment -- he was joking around. But for his sake, I removed the comment per his request. Bob,

Amen bro. I frequent Art’s website and find nothing I can honestly disagree with but find his preaching very encouraging, insightful, and Christ-centered.

I remember Art being a really passionate guy who loves truth and is unashamed in the proclamation of it. I still remember when he was a guest speaker at Gilead and spoke on the book of Hebrews. I never forgot walking away thinking how I wished I could grasp and love the truth like he does.

As for Kaz’s comment — he was joking around. But for his sake, I removed the comment per his request.

]]> By: Bob http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-59588 Bob Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:35:33 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-59588 Hey, Patrick, You should have kept Kaz's first comment. It was amusing. It's interesting that no matter how mature, presumably, a person can be in the Lord, sometimes one can make judgment calls based not on facts but on hearsay. I've listened to many of Art's sermons and I've found all of them top-notch in Theology, Scripture, Doctrine and truly in the power of the Spirit. So far, no one has shown any evidence that Art has preached or even believes any heresy. I invite you and the others to listen to his sermons. You'll find them at www.spiritempoweredpreaching.com Hey, Patrick,

You should have kept Kaz’s first comment. It was amusing. It’s interesting that no matter how mature, presumably, a person can be in the Lord, sometimes one can make judgment calls based not on facts but on hearsay.

I’ve listened to many of Art’s sermons and I’ve found all of them top-notch in Theology, Scripture, Doctrine and truly in the power of the Spirit. So far, no one has shown any evidence that Art has preached or even believes any heresy. I invite you and the others to listen to his sermons. You’ll find them at http://www.spiritempoweredpreaching.com

]]> By: Earl http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-59570 Earl Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:14:56 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-59570 Spoke with Art for a few minutes. He's getting ready to head down to Mentrenco, Chile for a Conference on Expository Preaching. Unfortunately he won't be back till later next week. Art said he has not written on the subject, and just as he told Dr. MacArthur he still holds to the traditional view of Justification. If what you are looking for is a sermon he has preached, or an essay he wrote pertaining to the NPP you won't find it. I hope this helps answer some questions on the topic. Every Blessing Spoke with Art for a few minutes.

He’s getting ready to head down to Mentrenco, Chile for a Conference on Expository Preaching. Unfortunately he won’t be back till later next week.

Art said he has not written on the subject, and just as he told Dr. MacArthur he still holds to the traditional view of Justification.

If what you are looking for is a sermon he has preached, or an essay he wrote pertaining to the NPP you won’t find it.

I hope this helps answer some questions on the topic.

Every Blessing

]]> By: patrick http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/comment-page-1/#comment-59538 patrick Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:03:59 +0000 http://lacson.name/2007/09/09/art-azurdia-iii-has-made-it-to-monergisms-hall-of-contemporary-reformers/#comment-59538 Thanks Earl - I would love to clarify this. There are folks in the Bay Area who have asked me about Art since I've posted this link on my blog and all have questions regarding his position on NPP. I've all asked them to point me to a published work or sermon which would define Art's position on this and none have been able to come up with one. I'd rather find a definitive source before making any conclusions. You were a good candidate to speak on Art's behalf having worked closely with him so I appreciate your feedback. Thanks Earl –

I would love to clarify this. There are folks in the Bay Area who have asked me about Art since I’ve posted this link on my blog and all have questions regarding his position on NPP. I’ve all asked them to point me to a published work or sermon which would define Art’s position on this and none have been able to come up with one. I’d rather find a definitive source before making any conclusions.

You were a good candidate to speak on Art’s behalf having worked closely with him so I appreciate your feedback.

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